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	<title>Comments on: MTA carbon trading: what say you?</title>
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		<title>By: Skwisgaar Skwigelf</title>
		<link>http://hegemonik.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/mta-carbon-trading-what-say-you/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Skwisgaar Skwigelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Counterspin covered the topic on this morning&#039;s show. Might be worth listening to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Counterspin covered the topic on this morning&#8217;s show. Might be worth listening to.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny:

The alternative framework to cap and trade, which doesn&#039;t involve market mysticism, is: cap, collect, and invest

We need a price mechanism - if its free then no one is going to care about it.

Cap and trade is essentially allowing pollution permits.Allow a certain &quot;limit&quot;, and then allow the bigger polluters to just trade for their right to pollute more.

What we really need is:
1. reductions right away
2. collect money from the polluters to the tune of the costs
3. invest in our communities

STRONG CAP: the pollution needs to stop
COLLECT: polluters have been getting subsidies and let off the hook for years. Now they need to pay.
INVEST: in vulnerable, low-income communities and communities of color, in order to lift people out of poverty and promote self-determination.

Anyway. Thats an alternative way to open up the convo on emissions.

hope that helps a bit. see you soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny:</p>
<p>The alternative framework to cap and trade, which doesn&#8217;t involve market mysticism, is: cap, collect, and invest</p>
<p>We need a price mechanism &#8211; if its free then no one is going to care about it.</p>
<p>Cap and trade is essentially allowing pollution permits.Allow a certain &#8220;limit&#8221;, and then allow the bigger polluters to just trade for their right to pollute more.</p>
<p>What we really need is:<br />
1. reductions right away<br />
2. collect money from the polluters to the tune of the costs<br />
3. invest in our communities</p>
<p>STRONG CAP: the pollution needs to stop<br />
COLLECT: polluters have been getting subsidies and let off the hook for years. Now they need to pay.<br />
INVEST: in vulnerable, low-income communities and communities of color, in order to lift people out of poverty and promote self-determination.</p>
<p>Anyway. Thats an alternative way to open up the convo on emissions.</p>
<p>hope that helps a bit. see you soon!</p>
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		<title>By: phillysds</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one thing you might want to check out is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ecosocialistnetwork.org/Docs.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;second ecosocialist manifesto&lt;/a&gt;, which rails against carbon trading. basically, carbon trading turns pollution into a commodity, which is really just an expansion of the market and capitalist logic that created this shit in the first place. even the wall street journal said that, apparently:

&lt;i&gt;As the Wall Street Journal put it in March, 2007, emissions trading &quot;would make money for some very large corporations, but don&#039;t believe for a minute that this charade would do much about global warming.&quot; The Journal called the carbon trade &quot;old-fashioned ... making money by gaming the regulatory process.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one thing you might want to check out is the <a href="http://www.ecosocialistnetwork.org/Docs.htm" rel="nofollow">second ecosocialist manifesto</a>, which rails against carbon trading. basically, carbon trading turns pollution into a commodity, which is really just an expansion of the market and capitalist logic that created this shit in the first place. even the wall street journal said that, apparently:</p>
<p><i>As the Wall Street Journal put it in March, 2007, emissions trading &#8220;would make money for some very large corporations, but don&#8217;t believe for a minute that this charade would do much about global warming.&#8221; The Journal called the carbon trade &#8220;old-fashioned &#8230; making money by gaming the regulatory process.&#8221;</i></p>
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